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This, about the Sexual Orientation Regulations, made me really sad. All the examples the opponents of the bill gave, like hoteliers liable to prosecution for refusing a double room to a gay couple, were things that I thought "But that's what I would want to happen!". I think I may be a lefty pinko liberal.

On the other hand, this, about a new random radio station launching in Oxford, sounds quite interesting

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All the examples the opponents of the bill gave, like hoteliers liable to prosecution for refusing a double room to a gay couple, were things that I thought "But that's what I would want to happen!".

Quite. I have so little time for those protesting it's not even funny.
All the examples the opponents of the bill gave ... were things that I thought "But that's what I would want to happen!"

It would be delightful if people were so pleasant to each other that they would be happy to overlook their own biases, though I fail to see how forcing the appearance of such pleasantry will actually promote the real thing.
It rarely changes the opinions of the current generation but it can have an effect on the next.
But surely, not always for the better? - cf the rise of the BNP, on the back of governmental promotion of race equality/multiculturalism, which they would read as force, causing them to want to kick against it even harder, iyswim.

I can't understand why an hotelier would refuse the money to be made from a double room let to a gay couple; but then, a) would they actually want to stay somewhere where the welcome was so unwelcoming? and b) it'll be the hotelier who loses out on revenue - especially given how fast bad reviews travel on the web these days.
The adjustment of attitudes over one or more generations is an interesting point. Do you think that the use of legal force to achieve that adjustment is more effective (presumably quicker) than social pressure without the legal force?
This isn't legislating people's personal opinions, it's legislating the provision of goods and services. I don't care what the hotelier's personal biases are so long as I get a comfortable room to stay in for the night.
so long as I get a comfortable room to stay in for the night.

Why should a hotelier be forced to give you a room if he doesn't want to?
Polly Toynbee has a piece on the subject in today's Guardian.
I haven't really poked around the whole Comment is Free thing as much as I might. I'm amused by stuff like this, in a joy-of-slapfights sort of way.
It's the home of slapfights and people looking for slapfights to comment on.

:)
hurray for leftie liberalism! it depresses me deeply that people are still dumb enough to think it's their religious right to be bigotted bastards...
"But that's what I would want to happen!"

Even sadder, I thought "But, surely they are already liable for prosecution if they don't do those things?"

I feel so naieve.

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sexual orientation bill

Have to say I enjoyed this thread Jo. Nice to see you having to justify your statements. Have to say I think you can never change prejudice by legislation it tends to go underground and unspoken, and that in my lifetime people were willing to put up signs saying "no blacks,no dogs, no Irish". I suppose I think that if you're worried about who is going to use your services then your're in the wrong business, but of course you could always just say there was no room available. I having a law telling people what to think a good idea? - as usual I can see both sides of the argument.

Re: sexual orientation bill

I think Zac's right that the American example is a good one her - civil rights legislation 40 years ago has really changed things - not all the way but significant progress.
I think I may be a lefty pinko liberal.

You make that sound like such a bad thing. :D

But yeah, I think their attitude is really shitty. =( I'm still upset at my state for passing Measure 36, which defines marriage as being valid only between a man and a woman. >.< It's like our society has taken one step forward and five steps back with respect to gay acceptance. It's really sad. =(